Yes, I realise your concerns about privacy, government control, inconvenience, and what you might call the "road down the slippery slope" to the end of freedom of movement.

May I bring to your attention, however, that national ID cards are a fact of life in almost every country apart from the UK and US.

Countries in which national ID cards are used and compulsory (either by law or in practice) include France, Germany, Spain, the Netherlands, Hong Kong, South Korea, etc.

Indeed, the majority of the world’s democracies have national identity cards. Your paranoid fears have NOT materialised in these countries.

People in France can still go about their daily lives as they wish, without constant interference or surveillance by the government.

In Hong Kong, the ID card is a great convenience: it allows for 5-second automatic immigration clearance at the airport and other entry ponts. Besides, proving your identity at banks and such is a lot easier with national ID.
Source: I grew up in Hong Kong and lived in Europe for a couple of years. The argument of convenience is from my personal experience. You get used to carrying around your ID, and it really does become a good friend that comes into handy when you need it.
May I point out that Hong Kong’s identity scheme was introduced under BRITISH rule. Yes, by the very Britons who are so opposed to having an ID card themselves.
And if you think that ID cards are an "invasion of privacy", then how about Japan’s system?

In Japan, there are no ID cards. However, all Japanese citizens are listed in a national family registry that contains ALL your personal information, your family tree, your address, AND your criminal convictions. Everyone in your extended family has access to these records. If you’re not a Japanese citizen, you’re entered into a separate database and tracked like a criminal.

Is such a system any better than ID cards?

In Britain public opinion is divided over compulsory ID cards. Some people see it as an invasion of privacy, human rights etc. while others believe it is essential for security and point to World War 2 when Britons had to carry them.

Personally I am opposed to compulsory ID cards for above reasons and because I do not think they will prevent crime, terrorism, etc. They have not done so in Europe where most countries have them.

I have seen it from both sides as I am British but lived abroad for a while and had to carry compulsory ID.

I think the fairest way to decide such an issue would be a referendum, trouble is the British government is not very good at holding those.

I want to know if night clubs in USA accecpt other ID cards apart from US ID cards.

This will vary from one club to the next. It is important that the identification have your photo on it, and that it have your birth date on it – and that the birth date be clear to whoever is looking at the document. So, if your international driver’s license is chinese, for example, you may need a translation of it (the International Driving Permit, for example).

Please know that there is not a national or even state law or custom that determines how all clubs implement the requirement that they allow only people aged 21 and older, so there may be clubs that will not accept such identification (especially if it is not in English). You should check with the club itself – or be prepared to go to several.

I need to make a good ID card. Clubs will not accept IDs in butterfly pouches because they are not PVC ID cards. Some Epson inkjet printers have a tray for printing on specially coated CDs and DVDs. If the tray was modified to hold a blank ID card, could they print on them?

Joseph is right. ID card printers cost $2,000 to $10,000 and without them it is very difficult to make good ID cards. I believe the States issue PVC ID cards because they know that almost no one can afford to purchase such a printer to make an ID card.

You can scan, modify, and print a state issued driver license on card stock and it looks really good. However, it will not fool anyone because when they feel it, they can tell it is not a PVC card. Also, you cannot copy the halograms and clubs know to look for those.

To print on a PVC card with an inkjet printer the card has to have a special coating for inkjet printers or the ink will smear. It is possible to buy the liquid to apply to the cards. Youtube has a video making a fake ID card using an Epson printer and if you google "how to make ID cards" or "Create a new Identity" and include the quotations you will fine a web site that explain some methods that are too lengthy to describe here.

Good luck and I wish you success. However, sadly it is not as easy as it should be to acquire acceptable identification.

Will we have the ID cards (both tester and model) put on our station? Just curious because of the record card. You need correct ID numbers correct? Just curious!

You will have whatever is needed./

If every individual recieving any government benifit is given a national ID complete with fingerprints (snce they can’t be forged) and ID must be verified in person every 3 months to continue benifits, would this help eliminate the amount of $$ that is stolen from the taxpayers every year?

I suppose every bit helps. It would help control some that’s done by maintaining different identities in different states. But the task of verification every three months would be far more trouble than its worth and would probably be completely impractical.

I heard that all new passports have this RFID chips in them and they can track you from this chip.
Also, the National ID’s are supposed to be in the works this year. Again, with an RFID Chip.
The conspricay theorist say that in the future they are going to chip all products in stores and all money so they will know exaclty how much money you have and what you bought.
Are people willing to give up there privacy for so call "security"?

The passport chips and the national ID card are very true and in the process. The new passports definately have the chip that I have saw myself on a friends that just got one to go on a cruise.The national ID card is supposed to be completed by 2010 but they are going to fall short of the finish line because many of the states are rufuting.
My personal oppinion of these is that it’s absolutly wrong. It’s just another way to take our privacy away. It is a form of modern day branding, like cattle. Of course the government will claim it’s for our security……suuuurrre.

I’ve seen several news stories that state that gunmen in Iraq have stopped buses, checked the ID cards of the passengers, and then murdered the people whose religion they disliked. It seems fairly obvious that the Iraqi government should be issuing a new type of ID card that DOESN’T say people’s religions so that it wouldn’t be so easy for gunmen to choose their victims. Why hasn’t either the US or Iraqi governments undertaken this glaringly obvious necessary action?

A person’s surname is how they tell if the person is Shiite or Sunni.

Why do we need national id cards? What information is on the card? Is it safe? will it cause problems with the police and will they misuse the cards?

The whole idea of the Real Id Act smakes of Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union or Communist China.

i have a project where i have to make id cards based on the characters in my book i am reading for lauguage arts class. I want to know what they look like and like what the colors are stuff like that. i also want to know the infromation i need on the card if you can help, PLEASE DO!

Are you serious? Your teacher wants you to make fake IDs for school?

I’m getting myself an ID so i can finally buy cigarette’s — Only trouble is i don’t have a clue where to apply, what the cards look like, and what are the ones most accepted by shops?
If anyone could please post the site where to apply for one.

And secondly does anyone know where i can find a picture of what they look like?

A driving liceince or provisional liceince card wil be accepted in most places. To get a provisional liceince you don’t need any experiance of driving – just go to your nearests post office and ask them to give you a form.

If you’re in school or higher education they will probably have information on schemes you can join up to, though neither the Ucas card or the Connexions card will be accepte din many places. But again, ask in your school office for information.

Otherwise, theres alot of schemes:

http://www.citizencard.com/
http://www.validateuk.co.uk/
http://www.portmangroup.org.uk/campaigns/52.asp

The webites have pictures of the cards on them, and say their accepted in msot places.

In worst case scenario, you could always use your passport, though thats less likely to be accepted if its from another country and doesn’t look like our passports do.

Are officials accepting and issuing anonymous ID cards with such address even in this era?
What if they are officially issuing the ID without any validation of a residence or any photo ID proof? What is the best way to deal with their incompetence?

no its one less way big brother can keep track of you.

I know the scheme is virtually dead, but Gordon Brown still seems determined that we will have to give him our personal data. If the cards will be of no more deterrent to terrorists than our passports are, then what is the point in spending billions of pounds of our money on it?

No, ID Cards will do nothing more than make government more intrusive in our private lives. ID Cards will not make it more difficult for terrorists, it will simply be one more inconvenience for citizens.

Our ID card vendor went out of business. They were only charging .47 per card. I can’t find a new vendor that will produce small amounts for cheap!

One option would be to buy blank, printable cards and print them yourself. If you do this, buy a card that has a feature that can’t be duplicated on a printer. Something like a hologram embedded in it or a metallic strip. Anything that can’t be duplicated in a good printer.

How many different id cards can be made if there are 6 digits on a card and no digit can be used more than onc

151,200 different combinations, found by multiplying 10 x 9 x 8 x 7 x 6 x 5

i was wondering if the us embassy in manila was able to issue us military spousal id cards do they have a deers department?

I don’t believe the State Department could do that — military IDs need to come from the military installation where the soldier is currently stationed. The Embassy could do a US passport, but probably not a military ID. Email or call the Consular Section of the Embassy if you really want to pursue it.

I have never really paid much attention to religion but have been reading up about Armageddon and the end of days.
Is it me or are these things coming true with id cards,financial turmoil (moneygeddon as I call it), the european union (restoration of the roman empire) and the move towards a one world government.
The one that really worries (not that much) me is id cards which in about 4 years will be compusary ( cost =£100 which is having a laugh). Any comments would be appreciated.

This is in practise is Egypt and you cannot access public services or put your children in school for e.g without an ID card, you also have to specify your faith which makes a difference in culture. Interestingly the Bible says that you will not be able to ‘buy or sell’ unless you have the ‘mark’…It is a beginning…and discernment is needed…but not much…

You are planning to change from paper cards to real, durable cards like student ID cards. Will I need separate software if I want our logos on the cards too? Thanks.

if you want to keep costs down buy yourself a laminater and make the cards yourself as far as cards are concerned if you have the form that you want and it is on the comp then there is no need for seperate program

So I just got car insurance with Progressive, and they said they’re mailing me drive twin id cards? What are drive twin id cards?

You will get 2 insurance cards for you car insurance.
You keep 1 copy in the car – this is in case you allow someone to drive your car and they are involved in an accident.
The other copy,you keep with your drivers license since most police ask for license and insurance when they pull you over.

The copy you leave in the car should be with the registration papers.

The current government is determined to bring in compulsary ID cards for all citizens which will cost the british people around £20 billion. To my knowledge no one wants the ID cards but the government have ignored petitions, protests, and concerns against the system.

Do you think the implementation of the ID cards is a good thing and why?

The British and U.S. government’s are way to intrusive on their citizens. The U.S. has learned much of this from the Brits. NWO is inevitable!!!

ID Cards and Microchip Implants Predictive Programming – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8Q8M0u6CnE

Set in the near future, Stephen Ezard returns to London for the funeral of his brother, (played by Max Beesley who also stars in Survivors, another BBC vehicle for predictive programming) and finds a world that has changed subtly but significantly from the one he left – biometric ID cards are compulsory, passenger profiling at all major transport hubs is common practice, public spaces are monitored 24/7 by digital cameras and armed police patrol the streets.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/lastenemy/welcome.shtml

In this clip, Stephen is physically stopped by the police while he is minding his own business, and the police ask for his ID card.

Stephen: “I don’t have any.”

Police: “Can you put your right index finger on here please.”

Stephen: “I don’t want to do that.”

Police: “Then we can iris scan you.”

Stephen: “I haven’t broken any law. I know who I am and I don’t have to prove that to anyone.”

It turns out Ezard, who had previously helped the government with their new “Total Information Awareness” (as opposed to Total Information Network) database in exchange for funding for his mathematical research, had been microchipped without his knowledge.

Stephen then discusses “Operation Tag Me” with the Home Secretary. She described it as “the trial of a harmless tag that ceases to function after two years. The body then flushes it out – no side effects whatsoever.”

Stephen: “But the guinea pigs weren’t told.”

Home Secretary: (laughs) “These trials go on all the time Stephen, all over the world.”

Stephen: “It killed a thousand people and you burnt the bodies. You destroyed the evidence.”

The Home Secretary then excuses these criminal actions by explaining that it would have been a criminal act not to have covered it up.

Stephen: “That’s what happens when you view a human as less than sacred, when you treat someone as a piece of data, a barcode. When you violate them with internal tags they become less than human and you start to imagine the impossible, and then you find yourself doing it.”

Home Secretary: “This is a good government.”

Stephen: “What happens when it isn’t?”

Obviously, this government is not a good government, given what has just been admitted. And given that such trials go on all the time all over the world, where and when is there ever a “good government”?

The Home Secretary then reveals her own microchip implant, arguing that she (someone who is willing to deceive and to cover up mass murder for the government) doesn’t feel violated, or less human. She then gives the standard spiel we have heard so often from Verichip, before announcing that “eventually it’ll become universal, starting at school age – a tag for life.”

She even goes on to say that “it’ll give back to the honest ordinary citizen, freedom of movement. I thought it would be a price worth paying.”

The price she is talking about is the constant monitoring of anything and everything you do, at all times.

This is what is planned for us, if we go along with it.

Our minds are being prepared to accept this as inevitable. But resistance is NOT futile.

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Fans of ID cards often say, if you’ve done nothing wrong you have nothing to fear. They are naive.

For more information, and to find out what YOU can do to help stop the database state, visit:

http://www.no2id.net/TakeJane

Other references:

Use of DWP’s CIS database for ID scheme biographical data: http://www.ips.gov.uk/identity/downloads/Strategic-Action-Plan.pdf

A contemporaneous example of abuse of NHS databases: http://news.scotsman.com/health/NHS-worker-loses-job-fight.4849537.jp

For the number who will *actually* have access to ContactPoint, read: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/12/contactpoint_figures_analysis/

Some of our commenters seem more interested in slagging off the video than checking the facts. Please do visit the website and read our references – including the Home Office documents – and ask yourself whether you really believe that ‘Take Jane’ could never happen.

I and many others fear it will, no matter what ‘assurances’ the government might give.

Phil Booth
National Coordinator, NO2ID

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my 14 year old sons school wil be issuing RFID enabled ID cards that wil monitor the movement of kinds to and from school on School Buses. whats your opinion.
Do i want my Kid tagged and monitored ?

I think it might be a good idea for you, as a parent, to know if your child got to school OK and returned to a designated place after being let off. It’s just like the dog with a GPS chip. They could be easily found and you have the peace of mind of knowing they are not wondering around getting into trouble. Do you want your kid tagged and monitored? That’s up to you; however, a lot of schools are requiring that students wear ID badges, so what’s the difference. Do you wear an ID badge at work? If you’re a driver, you’re probably being tagged and monitored with a GPS navigator system or being watched with surveillance cameras that are hidden. What’s the difference? Size it up to technology and where we have come as a society. Nobody is safe from being tagged and monitored. You just have to live through it. BIG BROTHER is watching everything that you say or do, even on the internet,and that is the way it is, no matter if you live in the US or some other place in the world.

NO2ID is the UK-wide, non-partisan campaign opposing the government’s planned ID card and National Identity Register.

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2008 song by underground hip hop artist Grieves, from his album “88 Keys & Counting” released in November 12th, 2008.
The track is produced by Budo.

For more quality underground hip hop: www.underground9.blogspot.com

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Estonia aims to become a country with the most secure information society in the world.

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